Speculation on origin of our line of Ramseys

Speculation on origin of our line of Ramseys

Descendants of Alexander De Ramsey

Generation No. 1

1. ALEXANDER¹ DE RAMSEY¹ was born Abt. 1438 in of Dalhousie, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland¹, and died Bef. March 16, 1482/83¹. He married ISOBEL DOUGLAS¹ 1464 in Kilmaurs, Ayr, Scotland¹, daughter of GEORGE DOUGLAS and ISABELLA SIBBALD. She was born Abt. 1446¹.

Child of ALEXANDER DE RAMSEY and ISOBEL DOUGLAS is:

2. i. ALEXANDER² DE RAMSEY, b. 1463, Dalhousie, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland; d. September 09, 1513, battle of Floden, Kirknewton, Northumberland, England.

Generation No. 2

2. ALEXANDER² DE RAMSEY (ALEXANDER¹)¹ was born 1463 in Dalhousie, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland¹, and died September 09, 1513 in battle of Floden, Kirknewton, Northumberland, England¹. He married (1) ELLEN HOME¹. He married (2) NICHOLE KERR¹.

Child of ALEXANDER DE RAMSEY and ELLEN HOME is:

3. i. NICHOLAS³ DE RAMSEY, b. 1488; d. Bef. May 09, 1555, Dalhousie, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland.

Generation No. 3

3. NICHOLAS³ DE RAMSEY (ALEXANDER², ALEXANDER¹)¹ was born 1488¹, and died Bef. May 09, 1555 in Dalhousie, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland¹. He married CHRISTIAN ROSS¹ November 05, 1552 in Hawkhead, Renfrew, Scotland¹.

Child of NICHOLAS DE RAMSEY and CHRISTIAN ROSS is:

4. i. GEORGE⁴ DE RAMSEY, b. Abt. 1515.

Generation No. 4

4. GEORGE⁴ DE RAMSEY (NICHOLAS³, ALEXANDER², ALEXANDER¹)¹ was born Abt. 1515¹. He married ELIZABETH HEPBURN¹. She was born 1517 in Waughton, Scotland¹, and died 1571¹.

Child of GEORGE DE RAMSEY and ELIZABETH HEPBURN is:

5. i. JAMES⁵ DE RAMSEY, b. Dalhousie, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland.

Generation No. 5

5. JAMES⁵ DE RAMSEY (GEORGE⁴, NICHOLAS³, ALEXANDER², ALEXANDER¹)¹ was born in Dalhousie, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland¹. He married ELIZABETH¹ April 05, 1570¹.

Child of JAMES DE RAMSEY and ELIZABETH is:

6. i. GEORGE⁶ DE RAMSEY, b. 1571, Dalhousie, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland; d. Aft. March 24, 1628/29, Dalhousie, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland.

Generation No. 6

6. GEORGE⁶ DE RAMSEY (JAMES⁵, GEORGE⁴, NICHOLAS³, ALEXANDER², ALEXANDER¹)¹ was born 1571 in Dalhousie, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland¹, and died Aft. March 24, 1628/29 in Dalhousie, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland¹.

Child of GEORGE DE RAMSEY is:

7. i. SIR JAMES⁷ DE RAMSEY, b. 1601.

Generation No. 7

7. SIR JAMES⁷ DE RAMSEY (GEORGE⁶, JAMES⁵, GEORGE⁴, NICHOLAS³, ALEXANDER², ALEXANDER¹)¹ was born 1601¹.

Notes for SIR JAMES DE RAMSEY:

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THIS IS A SPECULATIVE GENEALOGY PUT HERE AS A "WORKING" DOCUMENTLIKEPUTTING ONE PIE C E O F A JIGSAW PUZZLE OUT TO ADDTO.OURDOCUMENTEDGENEALOGY BEGINS WITH JOHN RAMSEY, JR. WH O D IE D INCOLUMBIACOUNTY,GEORGIA. AS OUR JOHN RAMSEY, SR. AND JR. BEGANTHEIRDOCUMENTED HIST O R Y IN AMERICA IN PENNSYLVANIA. YOU MAY HAVE THEPUZZLEPIECE WE NEED.PLEASE CONTRIBUTE.

Colonial Families of the United States

"This family is of a Scotch ancestry and claims descentfromWilliamRamsey, who fought un d e r Robert Bruce for the independenceofScotland,and was one of the nobles who subscrib e d t h ecelebratedmemorial to thepope in 1320, vindicating the rights andlibertiesofScotl a n d . TheRamseys settled in Scotland in the time ofDavid I.The name, it is claimed was or i g inally "De Ramesey." Elgin isinMorayshire County, and the first of the name to settle th e r e wa safarrier from Forfarshire, which is clearly the ancestral seat. Theheadof thec l a n was th e Earl of Dalhousie, whose family name wasRamsey. Itisunquestionable that the f i r st Ramse y who came to Scotlandheldpropertyin Huntindonshire, from which he took the na m e o f DeRamesey.That property was part of the estate belonging to the HonourofHuntingdon,w h i ch was in posession of David, Earl ofHuntingdon,afterwards David Iof Scotland. De Rame s e y came to Scotlandin the trainof the Earl of Huntingdon, but retained his designation f r om his Englishestate. Soon after the year 1700, there was a largeScotch-Irishemigrati o n t o Pennsylvania , and among the emigrants wasWilliam Ramsey,who settled with his famil y i n B ucks County, and who issaid to havebeen of the lineage of Sir James De Ramesey, of Da lho usi e,Scotland. Hemay have come from Ireland, as the family possess traditionsof Irishlo ca ti ons. There was a Thomas Ramsey who died intestate in1714, and aJames Ramsey whodied in te st ate in 1720, both of Bucks County.

Child of SIR JAMES DE RAMSEY is:

i. WILLIAM⁸ RAMSEY¹, b. Abt. 1644, England?¹; d. June 20, 1689, in Herring Creek, Ann Arundel, MD¹; m. PROTASIA TYDINGS¹, 1666, Herring Creek, Ann Arundel, MD¹; b. Abt. 1648, England¹; d. Aft. November 12, 1691, Herring Creek, Ann Arundel, MD¹.

Notes for WILLIAM RAMSEY:

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November 20, 1665. William Ramsey of Anne ArundelCounty,Maryland,purchased 350 acre s o n t h e north side of Coursey CreekfromHenry Hawkins of Wye River. (Talbot County, Maryla nd , La n dRecords,Liber 1,folio 7)June 20, 1689. Will of William Ramsey of AnneArundelCount y , Ma ryland.To eldest son Charles and heirs 200 acrescalled"Leaf's Choice,"on Gunpowder Ri v e r a nd 570 acres called "WilliamtheConqueror."To sons William and John and their heirs re s idu e ofland.Towife Protasia executrix, dwelling plantation adn 250 acres"Sinktree," onChe s te r River.Test: James Hackett, Thomas Linthicum, andAnn Ray. SignedMay 12,1689. (Colonia l M ar yland Wills, Annapolis,Maryland, Liber 6,folio59)November 12, 1691. Thomas Bevan a n d wi f eProtasia, executrix ofWilliam Ramsey's will, conveyed to John Jordan 300acres call e d "S intra" on Coursegall Creek, Chester River. (TalbotCounty, Maryland, LandRecords, Lib e r 5 , f olio 331)

AS THE TIMES AND LOCATION OF THESE RAMSEYS "FIT" WITH OUR JOHN SR,(ofwhomwe have docume n t e d proof) THEY ARE INCLUDED FORRESEARCHPURPOSESUNTILWE CAN CONCLUSIVELY PROVE WHO IS REL A T E D TOWHOM. THEQUESTION IS OUTTHERE FOR OTHERS TO HELP US "PIECE TOGETHER"THIS JIGSA W O F T HEPICTUREOF OUR FAMILY.

Colonial Families of the United States, p. 429

The family is of Scotch ancestry and claims descent fromWilliamRamsey,who fought under Ro b e rt Bruce for the independenceofScotland,and was one of the nobles who subscribed the cel e b ratedmemorial to the Pope in1320, vindicating the rights and libertiesofScotland. Th e R a mseys settled in Scotland in the time of David I.Thename, it is claimed,was originall y " D e R amesey." Elgin is inMorashireCounty, and the first of the name to settle there w a s a farrier fromForfarshire, which isclearlythe ancestral seat. The head ofthe clan wast h e Ear l o f Dalhousie,whose family name was Ramsey. Itisunquestionable that the first Rams e y wh o came to Scotland heldpropertyin Huntingdonshire, from which he took the name of De R a mese y.Thatproperty was part of the estate belonging to the Honour ofHuntingdon,which w a s i n the possession of David, Earlof Huntingdon,afterwardsDavid I of Scotland. De Ramese y c am e to Sc otland in thetrain of theEarl of Huntingdon, but retained his designation fro m h i sEnglishestate. Soon after the year1700 there wasa large Scotch-Irishemigrationto Penn s y lvania , and among the emigrants was William Ramsey,whosettled with his family in Bucks C o u nty, and who is said to havebeen ofthe lineage of Sir James DeRamesey, of Dalhousie, Scot l a nd. Hemay havecome from Ireland, as the family possess traditions of Irishlocations.T h e re was a Thomas Ramsey who died intestate in 1714, and aJames Ramseywho died intestat e i n 1 720, both of Bucks County.

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CHAPTER XXV

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End of RAMSEY-D Digest V01 Issue #5

Name: William Ramsey Surname: Ramsey Given Name: William Sex: MBirth:1666in North Irela n d _ UID: A3639A5F5F049B4BB3BEE2D436BB9F575665Note:Isbelieved to have arrived in America wi t h hi s wife about 1700.They camefrom North Ireland and were Scotch/Irish. Settled in Buc k C o ., PAshortly after his arrival. In 1741 they were living in Warwick Twp,BucksCo., PA. S er ve d there as a colonial soldier. Change Date: 21 Jul2002at01:00:00Marriage 1 Peshoshia </ cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=little&id=I1247> b: in North Ireland

Married: in North Ireland

Children

James Ramsey b: 1692

William Ramsey b: 1698

Jean Ramsey b: 1699

Robert Ramsey b: 1702

Alexander Ramsey b: 1704

John Ramsey b: 1706

Thomas Ramsey b: 1710 in Nockamixon Twp., Bucks Co.,

William Ramsey, of Bucks County, Pennsylvania m. (wife's name unknown).

Issue:

I. James, b. 1692 or 1701, the ancestor of Major James RamseyofLigonier, Pennsylvania

II. William, of Warwick Township, Bucks County, Pennsylvania,b.1698,probably in Irela n d ; d . 19th Oct. 1787. Served as a soldier intheColonial Service, 1747. Was a landown e r i n WarwickandWestminstertownships. m. (firstly) Jane (or Jeanett) Brady, b.1703,d.16 t h Fe bruar y, 1761, daughter of Robert Brady; m. (secondly)EleanorFairies,widow of Samuel F a irie s

Issue by 1st m.

1. Robert

2. John

3. Jeanett

4. Jean

5. Hugh

6. William

7. Patrick

III. Jean, b. 1699; d. 17th Sept, 1781; m. (firstly) RobertMearns,whod.1730; m. (secon d l y ) Hugh Huston

IV. Robert, owned land, 1738-49, in Antrim Township, Cumberland Valley

V. Alexander, of Bucks County, Pennsylvania

VI. John, of Montgomery County, PA, who settled in the Cumberland Valley

VII. Thomas, b. circa 1710; d. 1751

Speculation on one family's journey to Pennsylvania, could also applytoour Ramseys:

more than two months at sea would have arrived in the Delaware Bay andmayhave stoppe d a t N e w Castle (Delaware), the largest town and thefirstport of call for ships arriving f ro m Eu rope, probably disembarkedatUpland (Chester), a small village further up river at a s it e th athadbeen considered the logical location for William Penn's "Greenecountrytown."

Carolyn Ramsey's comments:

If I had to venture a guess based on other material I have read, I'dsayour line was fro m t h e Edinburgh, Scotland, area and had gone firsttotheUlster Plantation in Ireland. (Re a d " T heScotch-Irish...JamesLeyburn...another informative book is "Albion'sSeed"...Fische r ...thenthere is "Carolina Cradle"...William Ramsey whichbrings many of thesefamilies int o N C . ) Then they must have seen howthings there inUlster were going to go...rack rents , Pre s by terianministers pulleddownfromtheir pulpits, bad weather, lost crops, losingthe ri g h t t omake and sell cloth...so they must have left with some ofthe first wholeftUlster... m a yb e on invitation from William Penn(someartisansandmerchants were invited to come and j o i n t he Quakersthoughthey were not Quakers themselves. Our Ramseys were supposedlytrave l ing with Quakers, but they raced horses and had a few slaves sothey couldnot have remain e d i n the faith.) Leaving Ulster early andgoing toPenn's colony would have placed the m i n Ame rica early andpossibly madethem a merchant family. (John Jr. would have been born a bout 171 9 sincehis first child is born in 1740...and if he is the first sonof John Sr.then J oh n S r is born at least before 1698.)

Those Scott-Irish who came up the Delaware to PA would havelikelybeen settled in Che s t er County or Lancaster County (the edge ofthewilderness). There were also Ramseys in Del a w are and inBucksCounty,PA. The ones from Delaware, the Reynolds Ramsey family,wenttoTen n e ssee and also had connections in the Charlotte, NC, area.Ourgroup was supposed to hav e h a d kin in Mecklenburg County(Charlotte)during the Rev. War, and after the Civil War, o n e o fmygreatgrandfather's brothers went to Tennessee to teach atSweetwaterCollege and supp o se dly there were kin there.

Back to the main story, Scots were pushed into the backwoods astheQuakers did not w a n t to fight the Indians...they wanted the Scotts,whowere used to border wars, to do it f o r t hem. I have already givenyouthe part of the story where our group went to Marylan d . I do n'tknowif the brothers stayed together or not. Randolph does not show ontheRegul a tor lis t with John Jr. in Orange County, NC. MaybeRandolphstayed longer in Hampshire Cou n ty beca use I can still see himowningland there in 1760 (His property is listed as part o f t he lin efor adeedto a la Rue in 1760). By 1772, though, they are in ColumbiaCounty,GA.

Note from Sandra Ferguson ferg@intelos.net of Pennsylvania

I find a Ramsay family in Chester, whose original emigrantwasWilliam Ramsey, and c a m e from the north of Ireland in the firstpartofthe 18th century...his son was also a Wm , w h o married RebeccaWilson,dau of Rev. James Wilson of Lancaster Co.....could this be "you r "l ine?They seem to be the only ones I can "scare up"....if yours moved ontoMD, I'm goi n g t o assume you've picked them up there, but arejustlookingfor their first appearance i n t h e n ew world?

There is mention of a John Ramsey among the "leading men" oftheFagg's Manor Presbyte r i a n Church, in the 1750 time frame, alittlepastthe time you think they were in Md....(t h i s was a churchmostlypeopled by Scots-Irish folks.) If I were you, when looking fort h ese Ramseys I'd try for Presbyterian Church records of wherever youthinkthem to be....

Nothing much I'm afraid...perhaps we can get Tim or Judy to see ifthenames William an d / o r John Ramsey appear on the will CD...

S.

November 20, 1665. William Ramsey of Anne Arundel County,Maryland,purchased 350 ac r e s o n the north side of Coursey Creek fromHenryHawkins of Wye River. (Talbot County, Mar y l and , Land Records,Liber1,folio 7)

June 20, 1689. Will of William Ramsey of Anne Arundel County, Maryland.

To eldest son Charles and heirs 200 acres called "Leaf's Choice,"onGunpowder River an d 5 7 0 acres called "William the Conqueror."

To sons William and John and their heirs residue of land.

To wife Protasia executrix, dwelling plantation and 250acres"Sinktree,"on Chester River.

Test: James Hackett, Thomas Linthicum, and Ann Ray. Signed May12,1689.(Colonial Mary l a n d Wills, Annapolis, Maryland, Liber 6, folio59)

November 12, 1691. Thomas Bevan and wife Protasia, executrix ofWilliamRamsey's will, con v e yed to John Jordan 300 acres called "Sintra"onCoursegall Creek, Chester River. (Talbot C o u nty, Maryland,LandRecords,Liber 5, folio 331)

November 20, 1665. William Ramsey of Anne ArundelCounty,Maryland,purchased 350 acre s o n t h e north side of Coursey CreekfromHenry Hawkins of Wye River. (Talbot County, Maryl and , LandRecords,Liber 1, folio 7)

Endnotes

1. Ramsey2004.ged, Date of Import: Jan 11, 2004.